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Author Topic:   Questions for Bob Greenberger
Mike Falcon
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posted October 17, 2002 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
Hello! I was wondering what the official Archive policy is on liscensed properties?
(i.e. The Fox and the Crow, Jerry Lewis, Star Trek, "V", Big Town, etc.) Are they out of the question no matter what? Or are they just out of the question for the normal archive line? For example, if there was a big demand to Archive say, Jerry Lewis, would it be considered?

Also, what is the status of the Superboy Archive?

Thanks for reading this!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mike Falcon
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posted October 18, 2002 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
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Bob Greenberger
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posted October 18, 2002 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Greenberger   Click Here to Email Bob Greenberger        Reply w/Quote
Licensing deals have an expiration date, which is exemplified by all the publishers taking turns with Star Trek. The current thinking is that we have more than enough of our own material to collect before we even think about licensed material.

Now, as a guy who edited Star Trek and V, it'd be fun and nice but I can't argue with the corproate philsophy.

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Marty Raap
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posted October 18, 2002 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty Raap        Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I can't argue with the corporate philosophy on that point either. Getting a good healthy chunk of characters like Superman and Batman Archived -- at least complete through the 1950s, say -- before worrying too much about acquiring new licenses makes sense to me, and surely makes sense from DC's position.

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Mike Falcon
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posted October 18, 2002 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
Then why the Thunder Agents or Spirit lines?
Are they considered seperately from liscensed properties produced by DC's own publishing division? I would think DC's Tarzan or the Shadow would come before "outside" liscenses.

P.S. Thanks for reading and responding to my post.

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Corrosive Kid
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posted October 18, 2002 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Corrosive Kid        Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty sure that the copyright on any licensed property which DC ever made was never with DC to begin with, and by that I mean that the copyright on the story and art automatically went to the licenser, not DC. At least, I think that's how it worked, but I could be wrong.

The Spirit and T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents are considered to have artistic merit, and lots of people want to see them. Plus, they're rare and expensive to locate in their original editions. Let's face facts: most licensed properties were based upon tv shows or toys which are not still popular (forget Star Trek for a minute), and their comic book versions were drek.

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Pig Iron
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posted October 18, 2002 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pig Iron   Click Here to Email Pig Iron        Reply w/Quote
To perpetually keep the archives in print (which is a reason they can afford to make them) they would have to keep renewing the license as well.

It wouldn't make financial sense unless they were committing to a long term arrangement. The only two that I can think of which would make sense would be Shadow or Tarzan, this being the case only if they could reprint material done by other Companies which may or may not have been in the licensing agreements.
There has been a fair amount of Tarzan and Shadow material created...if they could reprint Hogarth, Manning, Kubert and Buscema Tarzan stuff it might be worth it.

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James Friel
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posted October 18, 2002 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Falcon:
Then why the Thunder Agents or Spirit lines?

I think those were both special cases:

The Spirit is part of the greater Will Eisner library, which was suddenly up for grabs upon the denise of Kitchen Sink. And it's such a prestigious property that I imagine making an exception for it was no problem.

THUNDER Agents, as I understand it, essentially came to DC.
Someone said "Hey, if I can make a deal for you to have the rights to reprint THUNDER Agents, would you be interested?"
DC said, yeah, yeah, sure.
And a while later the guy came back and said the deal was made, somewhat to DC's surprise.
It dropped into their lap. Or at least that's the story.

I sure do wish someone would do Tarzan, though.

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vze2
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posted October 18, 2002 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
Also, the Spirit (and Tor) are controlled by individuals who have a strong desire to see their material in print. I'm not sure who owns T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents, but I doubt it is a big company like King Features (don't they own Tarzan?) or Conde Naste (sp?) (don't they own the Shadow?). All the TV tie-ins are owned by big companies.

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Scott Nichols
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posted October 18, 2002 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Nichols   Click Here to Email Scott Nichols        Reply w/Quote
The rights to THUNDER are owned by an individual, John Carbonaro. He has been trying for some time to work a deal to get the original issues reprinted. He has also expressed hopes that renewed interest could also result in a revival of the series. Hopefully the deal with DC turns out to be a win-win situation for all parties.

-Scott

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James Friel
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posted October 19, 2002 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I think Edgar Rice Burroughs, Inc. still owns Tarzan and the other ERB characters.

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BillNolan
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posted October 22, 2002 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
Mr. Greenberger,

I was just wondering if DC could declare a moratorium on Roy Thomas archive introductions. I've enjoyed many of his works, but enough is enough. Are the original artists and writers asked to write the introductions? I could understand if no one else was available, and it even makes certain sense to have him write the All-Star ones (tho' a little variety would be nice), but I've never heard of a Roy Thomas Aquaman connection. My favorite intros were the two short ones to the Black Canary volume, by the original creators.

Thanks,
- Bill

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GDL
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posted October 23, 2002 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GDL        Reply w/Quote
So, Mr Greenberger...any status about a GA Sandman Archives...
Any word? Yea or Nay?
Any possibility?

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Bob Greenberger
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posted October 23, 2002 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Greenberger   Click Here to Email Bob Greenberger        Reply w/Quote
Dale handles those pesky Archives and makes intro choices based on a vareity of criteria. DC makes an effort to involve living participants where practical. For example, Julie Schwartz didn't want to write the Dynamic Duo intro but agreed to be interviewed by Mark Waid, who wrote a superlative piece.

GA Sandman remains on our list of GA archive proposals at each planning meeting so sooner or later he will get his turn in the spotlight. Just can't say when.

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Mart
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posted October 23, 2002 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mart   Click Here to Email Mart        Reply w/Quote
A Lois Lane archives would be lovely (or a Best of the Superman Family TP, featuring Fifties and Sixties Jimmy, Lois and Kara stuff rather than stuff from the actual SF comic, as JO's title became).

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Tom Fury
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posted October 23, 2002 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom Fury   Click Here to Email Tom Fury        Reply w/Quote
Bob, just curious... whats the typical amount of archive proposals you guys mull through during a meeting? Thanks.

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GDL
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posted October 23, 2002 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GDL        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
Dale handles those pesky Archives and makes intro choices based on a vareity of criteria. DC makes an effort to involve living participants where practical. For example, Julie Schwartz didn't want to write the Dynamic Duo intro but agreed to be interviewed by Mark Waid, who wrote a superlative piece.

GA Sandman remains on our list of GA archive proposals at each planning meeting so sooner or later he will get his turn in the spotlight. Just can't say when.


Great! Thanks for letting me know..it IS gratifying to know that Wes is on the radar...hope it starts with the gasmasked era.

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JeffD
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posted October 23, 2002 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JeffD        Reply w/Quote
Bob-
Do you know if the new Archives are being delayed? Shazam 3, Spirit 9, Dark Knight hardcovers, etc. were all due out by the end of October or early November and they don't appear on several shipping lists. Thanks.

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Bob Greenberger
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posted October 23, 2002 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob Greenberger   Click Here to Email Bob Greenberger        Reply w/Quote
As most of you are aware, our Archives are printed in Hong Kong. Which means they arrive here, literally, on a slow boat from China. The recent dock workers strike in California meant a number of DC Direct products and Archives got held up in transit. Keep checking our web site for shipping updates as this mess is untangled. America was warned that it might be as long as ten weeks before things ship on a normal cycle. They would have all made their release dates except for this unforeseen incident.

As for the process, here in Collected Editions we probably bat around a few dozen ideas ourselves. We then get input from Bob Wayne and the Marketing crew. Bob, Dale and I usually look at sales orders to see which series are slowing down or keeping pace and we also look at the schedule to see what might be coming out that we can tie together. An example of the latter is the Dynamic Duo Archives coming out the same month as the DC Direct action figures. One supports the other. The superboy 147 facsimile was my idea to support the release of four new Legion action figures.

From there, we make our proposed lists of 12-15 Silver Age and 12-15 Golden Age suggestions and bring it to our annual meeting. Paul Levitz usually has his own instincts on this material and we have a lively discussion. It was at one of these meetings, for example, that Paul himself conceived the Black Canary collection.

We strive to hit balances between characters that appear in GA and SA collections, such as Superman and Batman; balancing them against new offerings and series continuations. Sometimes we brainstorm in the room if the list doesn't generate enthusiasm.

By meeting's end, we have a 95% complete roadmap for the following year. And then the tweaking begins. I'm well into 2003's offerings and we've shifted stuff on the schedule and added more than a handful of projects as circumstances dictate. It certainly keeps things from getting dull.

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Pig Iron
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posted October 23, 2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pig Iron   Click Here to Email Pig Iron        Reply w/Quote
Thanks for being so active in responses lately Bob. Once again, Marvel's loss is DC's gain.

And I'm ready and waiting for that Lois Lane Archive. You did say that was coming out in the next 12 months, right??

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Owen Cardiff Darcy
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posted October 23, 2002 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Owen Cardiff Darcy        Reply w/Quote
Bob, when may we expect to see the Superboy Archive?

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Hack
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posted October 23, 2002 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hack        Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info, Bob! Very informative and very interesting.

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Joe Pacheco
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posted October 23, 2002 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe Pacheco   Click Here to Email Joe Pacheco        Reply w/Quote
thanks for the info!!!

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kid colt
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posted October 23, 2002 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid colt   Click Here to Email kid colt        Reply w/Quote
Bob,

A couple of weeks ago, I started a thread asking for a Blackhawk 80-page Giant collecting Reed Crandell stories from Blackhawk #41-65. Any chance of anything like that happening, since it would be a long time before DC got to this material in the Archives?

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kid colt
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posted October 23, 2002 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kid colt   Click Here to Email kid colt        Reply w/Quote
Bob,

A couple of weeks ago, I started a thread asking for a Blackhawk 80-page Giant collecting Reed Crandell stories from Blackhawk #41-65. Any chance of anything like that happening, since it would be a long time before DC got to this material in the Archives?

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